diff --git a/Content.Server/Antag/AntagSelectionSystem.cs b/Content.Server/Antag/AntagSelectionSystem.cs
index 62fbeefb65..7fdf812fbe 100644
--- a/Content.Server/Antag/AntagSelectionSystem.cs
+++ b/Content.Server/Antag/AntagSelectionSystem.cs
@@ -2,6 +2,7 @@ using System.Linq;
 using Content.Server.Antag.Components;
 using Content.Server.Chat.Managers;
 using Content.Server.GameTicking;
+using Content.Server.GameTicking.Events;
 using Content.Server.GameTicking.Rules;
 using Content.Server.Ghost.Roles;
 using Content.Server.Ghost.Roles.Components;
@@ -65,6 +66,7 @@ public sealed partial class AntagSelectionSystem : GameRuleSystem<AntagSelection
 
         SubscribeLocalEvent<AntagSelectionComponent, ObjectivesTextGetInfoEvent>(OnObjectivesTextGetInfo);
 
+        SubscribeLocalEvent<NoJobsAvailableSpawningEvent>(OnJobNotAssigned);
         SubscribeLocalEvent<RulePlayerSpawningEvent>(OnPlayerSpawning);
         SubscribeLocalEvent<RulePlayerJobsAssignedEvent>(OnJobsAssigned);
         SubscribeLocalEvent<PlayerSpawnCompleteEvent>(OnSpawnComplete);
@@ -136,6 +138,28 @@ public sealed partial class AntagSelectionSystem : GameRuleSystem<AntagSelection
         }
     }
 
+    private void OnJobNotAssigned(NoJobsAvailableSpawningEvent args)
+    {
+        // If someone fails to spawn in due to there being no jobs, they should be removed from any preselected antags.
+        // We only care about delayed rules, since if they're active the player should have already been removed via MakeAntag.
+        var query = QueryDelayedRules();
+        while (query.MoveNext(out var uid, out _, out var comp, out _))
+        {
+            if (comp.SelectionTime != AntagSelectionTime.IntraPlayerSpawn)
+                continue;
+
+            if (!comp.RemoveUponFailedSpawn)
+                continue;
+
+            foreach (var def in comp.Definitions)
+            {
+                if (!comp.PreSelectedSessions.TryGetValue(def, out var session))
+                    break;
+                session.Remove(args.Player);
+            }
+        }
+    }
+
     private void OnSpawnComplete(PlayerSpawnCompleteEvent args)
     {
         if (!args.LateJoin)
@@ -149,8 +173,7 @@ public sealed partial class AntagSelectionSystem : GameRuleSystem<AntagSelection
         var rules = new List<(EntityUid, AntagSelectionComponent)>();
         while (query.MoveNext(out var uid, out var antag, out _))
         {
-            if (HasComp<ActiveGameRuleComponent>(uid) ||
-                (HasComp<DelayedStartRuleComponent>(uid) && antag.SelectionTime == AntagSelectionTime.IntraPlayerSpawn)) //IntraPlayerSpawn selects antags before spawning, but doesn't activate until after.
+            if (HasComp<ActiveGameRuleComponent>(uid))
                 rules.Add((uid, antag));
         }
         RobustRandom.Shuffle(rules);
@@ -171,9 +194,7 @@ public sealed partial class AntagSelectionSystem : GameRuleSystem<AntagSelection
             if (!TryGetNextAvailableDefinition((uid, antag), out var def, players))
                 continue;
 
-            var onlyPreSelect = (antag.SelectionTime == AntagSelectionTime.IntraPlayerSpawn && !antag.AssignmentComplete); // Don't wanna give them antag status if the rule hasn't assigned its existing ones yet
-
-            if (TryMakeAntag((uid, antag), args.Player, def.Value, onlyPreSelect: onlyPreSelect))
+            if (TryMakeAntag((uid, antag), args.Player, def.Value))
                 break;
         }
     }
@@ -209,16 +230,12 @@ public sealed partial class AntagSelectionSystem : GameRuleSystem<AntagSelection
         if (component.AssignmentComplete)
             return;
 
-        if (!component.PreSelectionsComplete)
-        {
-            var players = _playerManager.Sessions
-                .Where(x => GameTicker.PlayerGameStatuses.TryGetValue(x.UserId, out var status) &&
-                            status == PlayerGameStatus.JoinedGame)
-                .ToList();
-
-            ChooseAntags((uid, component), players, midround: true);
-        }
+        var players = _playerManager.Sessions
+            .Where(x => GameTicker.PlayerGameStatuses.TryGetValue(x.UserId, out var status) &&
+                        status == PlayerGameStatus.JoinedGame)
+            .ToList();
 
+        ChooseAntags((uid, component), players, midround: true);
         AssignPreSelectedSessions((uid, component));
     }
 
@@ -230,9 +247,6 @@ public sealed partial class AntagSelectionSystem : GameRuleSystem<AntagSelection
     /// <param name="midround">Disable picking players for pre-spawn antags in the middle of a round</param>
     public void ChooseAntags(Entity<AntagSelectionComponent> ent, IList<ICommonSession> pool, bool midround = false)
     {
-        if (ent.Comp.PreSelectionsComplete)
-            return;
-
         foreach (var def in ent.Comp.Definitions)
         {
             ChooseAntags(ent, pool, def, midround: midround);
@@ -254,7 +268,8 @@ public sealed partial class AntagSelectionSystem : GameRuleSystem<AntagSelection
         bool midround = false)
     {
         var playerPool = GetPlayerPool(ent, pool, def);
-        var count = GetTargetAntagCount(ent, GetTotalPlayerCount(pool), def);
+        var existingAntagCount = ent.Comp.PreSelectedSessions.TryGetValue(def, out var existingAntags) ?  existingAntags.Count : 0;
+        var count = GetTargetAntagCount(ent, GetTotalPlayerCount(pool), def) - existingAntagCount;
 
         // if there is both a spawner and players getting picked, let it fall back to a spawner.
         var noSpawner = def.SpawnerPrototype == null;
@@ -327,6 +342,8 @@ public sealed partial class AntagSelectionSystem : GameRuleSystem<AntagSelection
     /// </summary>
     public bool TryMakeAntag(Entity<AntagSelectionComponent> ent, ICommonSession? session, AntagSelectionDefinition def, bool ignoreSpawner = false, bool checkPref = true, bool onlyPreSelect = false)
     {
+        _adminLogger.Add(LogType.AntagSelection, $"Start trying to make {session} become the antagonist: {ToPrettyString(ent)}");
+
         if (checkPref && !HasPrimaryAntagPreference(session, def))
             return false;
 
@@ -384,7 +401,8 @@ public sealed partial class AntagSelectionSystem : GameRuleSystem<AntagSelection
         if (antagEnt is not { } player)
         {
             Log.Error($"Attempted to make {session} antagonist in gamerule {ToPrettyString(ent)} but there was no valid entity for player.");
-            if (session != null)
+            _adminLogger.Add(LogType.AntagSelection,$"Attempted to make {session} antagonist in gamerule {ToPrettyString(ent)} but there was no valid entity for player.");
+            if (session != null && ent.Comp.RemoveUponFailedSpawn)
             {
                 ent.Comp.AssignedSessions.Remove(session);
                 ent.Comp.PreSelectedSessions[def].Remove(session);
@@ -414,6 +432,7 @@ public sealed partial class AntagSelectionSystem : GameRuleSystem<AntagSelection
             if (!TryComp<GhostRoleAntagSpawnerComponent>(player, out var spawnerComp))
             {
                 Log.Error($"Antag spawner {player} does not have a GhostRoleAntagSpawnerComponent.");
+                _adminLogger.Add(LogType.AntagSelection,$"Antag spawner {player} in gamerule {ToPrettyString(ent)} failed due to not having GhostRoleAntagSpawnerComponent.");
                 if (session != null)
                 {
                     ent.Comp.AssignedSessions.Remove(session);
@@ -475,6 +494,9 @@ public sealed partial class AntagSelectionSystem : GameRuleSystem<AntagSelection
             if (!IsSessionValid(ent, session, def) || !IsEntityValid(session.AttachedEntity, def))
                 continue;
 
+            if (ent.Comp.PreSelectedSessions.TryGetValue(def, out var preSelected) && preSelected.Contains(session))
+                continue;
+
             if (HasPrimaryAntagPreference(session, def))
             {
                 preferredList.Add(session);
diff --git a/Content.Server/Antag/Components/AntagSelectionComponent.cs b/Content.Server/Antag/Components/AntagSelectionComponent.cs
index 5c752ddff7..71bc564c73 100644
--- a/Content.Server/Antag/Components/AntagSelectionComponent.cs
+++ b/Content.Server/Antag/Components/AntagSelectionComponent.cs
@@ -61,6 +61,13 @@ public sealed partial class AntagSelectionComponent : Component
     /// </summary>
     [DataField]
     public LocId? AgentName;
+
+    /// <summary>
+    /// If the player is pre-selected but fails to spawn in (e.g. due to only having antag-immune jobs selected),
+    /// should they be removed from the pre-selection list?
+    /// </summary>
+    [DataField]
+    public bool RemoveUponFailedSpawn = true;
 }
 
 [DataDefinition]
diff --git a/Content.Server/GameTicking/Events/NoJobsAvailableSpawningEvent.cs b/Content.Server/GameTicking/Events/NoJobsAvailableSpawningEvent.cs
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..c1e2d99dc4
--- /dev/null
+++ b/Content.Server/GameTicking/Events/NoJobsAvailableSpawningEvent.cs
@@ -0,0 +1,8 @@
+using Robust.Shared.Player;
+
+namespace Content.Server.GameTicking.Events;
+
+/// <summary>
+/// Raised on players who attempt to spawn in but fail to get a job, due to there not being any job slots available.
+/// </summary>
+public readonly record struct NoJobsAvailableSpawningEvent(ICommonSession Player);
diff --git a/Content.Server/GameTicking/GameTicker.Spawning.cs b/Content.Server/GameTicking/GameTicker.Spawning.cs
index a103a19733..561e1cb787 100644
--- a/Content.Server/GameTicking/GameTicker.Spawning.cs
+++ b/Content.Server/GameTicking/GameTicker.Spawning.cs
@@ -98,6 +98,9 @@ namespace Content.Server.GameTicking
                 if (job == null)
                 {
                     var playerSession = _playerManager.GetSessionById(netUser);
+                    var evNoJobs = new NoJobsAvailableSpawningEvent(playerSession); // Used by gamerules to wipe their antag slot, if they got one
+                    RaiseLocalEvent(evNoJobs);
+
                     _chatManager.DispatchServerMessage(playerSession, Loc.GetString("job-not-available-wait-in-lobby"));
                 }
                 else
@@ -209,6 +212,9 @@ namespace Content.Server.GameTicking
                     JoinAsObserver(player);
                 }
 
+                var evNoJobs = new NoJobsAvailableSpawningEvent(player); // Used by gamerules to wipe their antag slot, if they got one
+                RaiseLocalEvent(evNoJobs);
+
                 _chatManager.DispatchServerMessage(player,
                     Loc.GetString("game-ticker-player-no-jobs-available-when-joining"));
                 return;
diff --git a/Resources/Prototypes/GameRules/roundstart.yml b/Resources/Prototypes/GameRules/roundstart.yml
index 80b8e9b717..a6c552e2e4 100644
--- a/Resources/Prototypes/GameRules/roundstart.yml
+++ b/Resources/Prototypes/GameRules/roundstart.yml
@@ -34,6 +34,15 @@
     - id: Thief
       prob: 0.5
 
+- type: entity
+  parent: BaseGameRule
+  id: DummyNonAntagChance
+  components:
+  - type: SubGamemodes
+    rules:
+    - id: DummyNonAntag
+      prob: 0.3
+
 - type: entity
   id: DeathMatch31
   parent: BaseGameRule
@@ -333,6 +342,22 @@
       mindRoles:
       - MindRoleInitialInfected
 
+# This rule makes the chosen players unable to get other antag rules, as a way to prevent metagaming job rolls.
+# Put this before antags assigned to station jobs, but after non-job antags (NukeOps/Wiz).
+- type: entity
+  id: DummyNonAntag
+  parent: BaseGameRule
+  components:
+  - type: GameRule
+    minPlayers: 5
+  - type: AntagSelection
+    selectionTime: IntraPlayerSpawn # Pre-selection before jobs; assignment doesn't really matter though, we only care about the pre-selection to block other antags.
+    removeUponFailedSpawn: false
+    definitions:
+    - prefRoles: [ InitialInfected, Traitor, Thief, HeadRev ]
+      max: 2
+      playerRatio: 30
+
 # event schedulers
 
 - type: entityTable
diff --git a/Resources/Prototypes/game_presets.yml b/Resources/Prototypes/game_presets.yml
index 0fbc63c197..3df262096b 100644
--- a/Resources/Prototypes/game_presets.yml
+++ b/Resources/Prototypes/game_presets.yml
@@ -149,12 +149,13 @@
   description: traitor-description
   showInVote: false
   rules:
-    - Traitor
-    - SubGamemodesRule
-    - BasicStationEventScheduler
-    - MeteorSwarmScheduler
-    - SpaceTrafficControlEventScheduler
-    - BasicRoundstartVariation
+  - DummyNonAntagChance
+  - Traitor
+  - SubGamemodesRule
+  - BasicStationEventScheduler
+  - MeteorSwarmScheduler
+  - SpaceTrafficControlEventScheduler
+  - BasicRoundstartVariation
 
 - type: gamePreset
   id: Deathmatch
@@ -177,12 +178,13 @@
   description: nukeops-description
   showInVote: false
   rules:
-    - Nukeops
-    - SubGamemodesRule
-    - BasicStationEventScheduler
-    - MeteorSwarmScheduler
-    - SpaceTrafficControlEventScheduler
-    - BasicRoundstartVariation
+  - Nukeops
+  - DummyNonAntagChance
+  - SubGamemodesRule
+  - BasicStationEventScheduler
+  - MeteorSwarmScheduler
+  - SpaceTrafficControlEventScheduler
+  - BasicRoundstartVariation
 
 - type: gamePreset
   id: Revolutionary
@@ -194,12 +196,13 @@
   description: rev-description
   showInVote: false
   rules:
-    - Revolutionary
-    - SubGamemodesRule
-    - BasicStationEventScheduler
-    - MeteorSwarmScheduler
-    - SpaceTrafficControlEventScheduler
-    - BasicRoundstartVariation
+  - DummyNonAntagChance
+  - Revolutionary
+  - SubGamemodesRule
+  - BasicStationEventScheduler
+  - MeteorSwarmScheduler
+  - SpaceTrafficControlEventScheduler
+  - BasicRoundstartVariation
 
 - type: gamePreset
   id: Wizard
@@ -210,6 +213,7 @@
   showInVote: false
   rules:
   - Wizard
+  - DummyNonAntagChance
   - SubGamemodesRuleNoWizard #No Dual Wizards at the start, midround is fine
   - BasicStationEventScheduler
   - MeteorSwarmScheduler